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UNCC, police, recent marijuana arrests involving students and could they be using their time more wisely? 5 years 7 months ago #7510

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I have not seen this posted, but here it is if no one has seen it!

Upon reading the latest issue of NinerTimes (the UNCC student newspaper) it has become quite obvious that the UNCC police and the nearby Charlotte Mecklenburg police have become bored – they are arresting college students for smoking pot. What comes to the top of my mind, immediately? The fact that they could be using their time more constructively to fight real crime.

I remember when I had a car stolen from my driveway about eight years ago or so and when I called into the Charlotte Mecklenburg police they were too busy to send someone out for over a week to talk to me. When they finally did get someone to talk to me it was through an e-mail and they really didn’t care. Isn’t car theft a felony and a much more dangerous crime because felons that steal cars usually use them to commit harder and more dangerous crimes?

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So where were the police that they were so busy? It turned out from watching the news that they were out doing a reverse sting on people buying pot for their own use. That is probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in the biggest waste of local tax dollars I have ever seen. People that smoke marijuana are not hardened criminals for the most part. They are docile and gentle as teddy bears.

Have you ever been to a concert at the Visualite theater near Central Piedmont Community College? Been to an Indigo Girls or similar type of concert? if you had you would see that the majority of people in attendance smoke pot in one fashion or another. They are some of the nicest people you will ever meet. so why do our police spend so much time arresting these people are basically doing nothing worse than someone popping a pain pill which is perfectly legal as long as they have a prescription?

Seriously, in the NinerTimes paper Charlotee 49ers basketball player DeMario Mayfield was arrested on Febuary 14th (Valentines Day) for a simple misdemeanor marijuana possession charge. That means he was arrested for his own personal consumption and supply. He was not selling to others and he was not a drug dealer. Because of this arrest he was suspended from again and there’s further disciplinary action that could be implemented against him.

Two days later UNCC campus police arrested an engineering student, Matthew Leibel, for simple possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia. neither one of these students was selling drugs, carrying guns, plotting crimes or even intending to hurt another individual. They were simply looking to partake of a plant that naturally grows in this and similar environments that God put on this planet.

This plant that is so illegal (which I think is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard) is actually now proven to be more effective on cancer than chemotherapy and other harsh drugs, proven as one of the best and most effective cures for various psychological maladies that affect our troops upon returning from the Gulf War and similar regions, etc…

Marijuana is a very helpful medicinal plant. It has no harmful side effects like prescription drugs all do and yet it is classified as being as dangerous as cocaine and heroin. Can’t our police find better things to be doing with their time? For instance I have been walking by the parking decks across the street there and almost been run over at least six times in the past year.

One of these times there was both a UNCC police officer right there in his car right in front of it and another one right down the street. Both saw it and neither did a damn thing about it. We have lazy as hell police officers here on UNCC’s campus. Rather than fight real crime and do their jobs which could possibly be dangerous they would rather annoy students and arrest them for the most petty things in the world.

And what’s funny is they target students but not upper members of the University. For instance, I clearly know what marijuana smoke smells like. I was walking with my dog one day down one of the trails which goes behind the Chancellor’s house. I clearly smelled marijuana smoke. Being that it was winter and there were no leaves on the trees I could faintly make out the back deck of the Chancellors house and I could make out a skinny gray-haired person on the deck and the smoke was clearly coming from them and their direction.

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And I’m not sure if that was the chancellor or not, but it was coming from the back deck of the house that they stay in. Maybe it was his brother or another family member? I do not know. All I know is it’s very clear that whoever was on his back deck and is tall and skinny and has gray hair was clearly smoking marijuana and not a clove cigarette or similar.

Why don’t the UNCC police and force their supposed and ridiculous marijuana ban on the board and upper executives of UNCC? – Oh, I’m sorry, they would get fired wouldn’t they?
Is that fair? Absolutely not. Maybe random drug testing should be put in place for all of the upper board and executives here at UNCC? I wonder how many would no longer be on the board if this were to be implemented?

Regardless, I’m not to pick on the Chancellor or his wife or his family for smoking marijuana because I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. I’m just trying to make a point here. We have the laziest and possibly stupidest police in this area and especially on our campus. They take years to fight real crimes if they do that all, but man will they move on a poor student that smoking a joint or a blunt and not harming a soul.

Well, the winds are changing. Soon enough you will see that our number’s are growing quickly into the tens and hundreds of thousands of people here (all of registered voting age) that support medicinal marijuana and basically marijuana for everyone. Within the next few years you will see North Carolina inevitably become a legal state for medical marijuana.

The only hurdle in our way is the police unions and pharmaceutical company lobbyists. Why are they trying to stop this legislation? For one, to keep their jobs. Everyone knows that if you legalize marijuana you wouldn’t need 3/4ths of the police in this nation. That’s right over 60% of inmates in prison are in there for simple drug possession. What a humongous waste of billions of dollars in taxpayer funds.

Then there’s the pharmaceutical companies that don’t like the idea or threat of a medicinal drug that is more effective than any pain medication they can manufacture and can be grown in one’s own backyard or inside their house. They don’t want that because they can’t charge you $5-$20 a pill for something they can’t patent and regulate. They also don’t care that their pills and their chemicals that they want you to pay very high prices for are slowly killing you.

The answer here is simple. Everyone needs to get off their duff and vote for and do whatever they can to make marijuana legal. Crime will decrease and life will get better for everyone – it’s a proven fact. The first step we need to take is for those that need it the most – the patients. Patients in severe pain suffering from everything from cancer, to debilitating diseases and more have a right as a US citizen to the medicine that they want and they choose and that is less harmful to their bodies – they have a right to medical marijuana.

Hi and over 100,000 other registered, voting citizens of North Carolina are not stop until legislation is passed that medicinal marijuana is approved and made legal here in North Carolina. We are growing and are now more powerful and more numerous than both the pharmaceutical companies and the police unions. We will win it’s just a matter of time. Until then our local police and especially the lazy ass morons of the UNCC police department that literally could not find their way out of a paper bag will continue to make nuisances of themselves and enemies of our fellow students.

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When are they going to realize that over 300 tons of marijuana is grown in the hills on the way to Asheville, NC and only a few hours from here. Our school colors are green. over 90% of students currently in attendance at UNCC smoke marijuana. You morons are outnumbered and are fighting a losing battle. Go put your time and effort into something worthwhile and if you can’t do that please go find another job. Until you do people like I will make your lives absolutely miserable.

Another thing that I find quite interesting is the background of some of these individuals that are doing the harassing and arresting of our students for these petty crimes. We had a lady that was a Playboy centerfold, currently someone that was once charged with or investigated for possible child molestation and child pornography, and a few that have been looked into for drug use – isn’t this a contradiction of terms? What a high quality police force we have here at UNCC…

I think we need to have full disclosure on the UNCC police force and who is really doing these arrests and what their backgrounds really are. If I can quickly find out despite doing a few searches on the Internet that we have quite a few scumbags with worse records than any of our current students policing the university then I wonder what a complete background check would reveal? Maybe that will be my and the local pro marijuana groups (NORML, NCCPN, CARML, etc…) next step.

In the least I believe it would be in the UNCC police officers best interests to leave college students alone for being college students. If you continue to go after and harrass and arrest harmless college students for the stupidest and most benign of crimes like simple possession of marijuana or possession of a bong, vaporizer, blunt or joint you will only make us get more organized and powerful.

We will win and you will lose in the end. It’s only a matter of time and the numbers are clearly in our favor and growing each and every day. Get off your duff, stop eating donuts and being lazy and go after real crime here in Charlotte and the university area.
if you are a UNCC College student or even a resident of North Carolina please take the time to help those that need the right to make their own choice for medication and what should be legal and should not be legal.

Get organized and get educated on the true benefits of marijuana. Don’t listen to the police and governmental idiots and morons that are marching to the tune of laziness, job protection and corruption. Marijuana is not an evil drug – on the contrary it is one of the most helpful and healthy plants on the planet! Join the fight to legalize marijuana for medical patients and then to legalize it for everyone! Websites to go to for more information and to help join the fight to legalize marijuana for patients and everyone in general:

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Re: UNCC, police, recent marijuana arrests involving students and could they be using their time more wisely? 5 years 7 months ago #7825

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I came across your post while doing some research for work. You are obviously an intelligent person who is passionate with your cause. However, I would like to respectfully ask you to consider an alternative view on some of your points.

First of all, you speak of marijuana users as "docile and gentle as teddy bears". You also prefaced this statement by saying that they "are not hardened criminals for the most part". Have you considered though the means in which users have obtained their product? I will not ask you if you have first hand knowledge, but rather simply state that in nearly all arrests for manufacture, sale, and deliver of marijuana, firearms have been found in posession of the suspects. This raises the question of why a "docile and gentle" group of people would need to obtain their product from a person who generally has more guns available to them, than police officers carry while on duty. You also mention the arrest of DeMario Mayfield and Matthew Leibel and that they were not dealers, nor were they carrying guns. In reply, I ask you this; Who did they buy their product from? Do you feel as though their "dealer" has guns?

The fact that end users don't always have guns on them doesn't mean that deadly weapons are not involved with marijuana use. After all, if you had hundreds of dollars in cash and drugs, wouldn't you have some way to protect yourself from robbery or theft?

Further commenting on the case of Mr. Mayfield, you clearly think that no action should have been taken against him (or anyone else charged for marijuana related crimes). However, consider that Driving While Impaired is also a misdemeanor. Would you support impaired driving of a public figure of your university? Let us also not forget that driving while under the influence of marijuana is still considered DWI. I cannot think of a single public institution that would condone anyone associated with them committing an act such as driving drunk. Actions such as that are always delt with swiftly in order to minimize the bad publicity.

While on the subject of misdemeanors, you seem to emphasize that possession of marijuana should be overlooked because it is not a "serious" crime. If you did some research into the crimes that are misdemeanors in North Carolina, I think you would be surprised. Stopping to think off of the top of my head, you pretty much have to cause injury to a person to commit a felony (there are exceptions of course). When you mentioned the "six" times that you were nearly struck by motorists, those people were quite possibly breaking a law known as Careless and Reckless driving. Being found guilty of violating this law in North Carolina results in a misdemeanor conviction. It's the same level of crime as simple possession of marijuana. Now, you claim that two UNC-C Campus Police officers witnessed this crime, yet did nothing about it. No attempts to stop the drivers, no checking to see if you were injured, no nothing. Well, let me enlighten you to a well known, yet poorly understood legal provision known as "Officer Discression". This provision allows officers to use knowledge, training, and judgement to determine their course of action during the course of investigating a crime. In fact, there is only one statute in the state that requires officers to arrest - that is violation of a N.C.G.S. 50B Domestic Violence Protection Order. No other crime carrys this requirement of officers, not even first degree murder. So, having considered this, why do you feel that officers should only use discression and turn their heads when it comes to marijuana? You practically demand officers to close their eyes when it comes to marijuana, yet feel that the entire force should be called out for a few college students driving erraticly. To me, this is being rather hypocritical and an attempt to skew the laws to your own personal beliefs.

In your statement about seeing a person at the chancellors residence at the exact same time you smelled marijuana smoke, it appears that you possibly witnessed a crime in progress - yet, you chose not to report it. How often do you witness possible crimes, dangerous situations, or suspicious activities and not report those? Perhaps if you reported these happenings to police (campus or CMPD), officers could get the break in catching an armed robbery suspect, child molester, or rapist. It's little tips that really can make differences. In your case of seeing someone at the chancellors residence, did you ever consider that he or his family could have just been the victims of a terrible crime? Perhaps a murderer was enjoying a joint after committing his crime? Had this been the case, you might have been the only one able to give information. However, you were concerned with the politics of the situation due to having smelled marijuana smoke in the area.

My last thought is of your statement that police forces in this country can be reduced by 75% simply by legalizing marijuana. I am very curious as to how legalization will stop theft, assault, DWI, child exploitation, rape, and all the other non-marijuana crimes that police deal with every day. Can you perhaps offer a more detailed explaination? If you can, with your reasoning explained, I will give it my undivided attention! The statements that you have made about reduction of force, "police unions" (of which there are none in North Carolina), and general lack of need for police says to me that you do not have a firm grasp of law enforcement. Yes, officers have, do, and will make mistakes. Officers are human, just the same as you. And I will go one step further - if you see an officer committing a crime, it is your duty as a student, citizen, and human being to report it. If you feel unsatisfied with the first official you report it to, go to another one. Police supervisors want to know about it as much as you do!

I do make one plea with you. Obviously you are a non-violent person and don't like to associate yourself with people who are. I share that philosophy. As a fellow human being, I emplore you to not urge "rising up" or making peoples "lives miserable". This encourages the very violence that I feel you detest.

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Re: UNCC, police, recent marijuana arrests involving students and could they be using their time more wisely? 5 years 7 months ago #7828

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First off Elliot let me say welcome to the forum. Our main objective of our site is to inform the good people of NC on the many wonderful medical benefits some seriously ill patients receive from the use of this herbal medication. And that is exactly all it is. Here in lies the entire issue I have with the beginning of your post. First off I think it is good people carry guns as long as they have no ill intent. Weapons are the only safeguard Americans have against a tyrannical government. Besides' if cannabis were treated like an herbal medication instead of a hard drug on the control substances list no one would need a gun...because it would be worth about as much as parsley. The prohibition of marijuana is what has caused ANY violence related to the drug. Therefore, drug dealers( and not lawful citizens) control most of the sell and distribution. I get the feeling I am talking to a wall here because I almost feel as if we may be diametrically opposed on this subject. Anyway I am going to continue lol. I don't know if you choose to maintain a firearm...but most of us are Americans and still believe in our 2nd amendment right. There are 100 million guns in America and I would not worry about the cannabis users first lol. We are peaceful people.
Ok...movin' right along. Your next paragraph deals with your views on the legality of cannabis. Now from your remark I judge that you see some validity to the laws against cannabis, whereas the people who choose to make an informed decision to use this medicine in lieu of pharmaceutical opiates do not. Personally, I think that no one has a right to imprison me for making a decision they don't agree with. If that were the case it would be acceptable to imprison vegans for choosing vegetables instead of a meat heavy diet like most obese Americans. We see it as a healthy alternative where you see it as a crime. It is just a plant, an herb that has desirable traits for many people. Therefore I don't believe laws should be ignored in general. Just ones that infringe on the personal liberties of otherwise law abiding citizens. What is it about cannabis that makes it illegal? Can you answer that for me. If you can find any legitimacy in the law I may rethink my position. It is not the plant that is a problem. It is the black market scenario created by prohibition. If you believe cannabis laws are just then I don't think we will see things alike. I believe it is time that the officers of our communities start acting appropriately and spending their time and resources catching the people doing harm to others. A person smoking a joint should not be priority just because it presents itself.
I love how you point out the author of the article saw a possible "crime." Once again, an invalid statement. I am sure if the author had seen the chancellor chopping up body parts on his back porch they would have notified the police. Do you call the police for every minor infraction you see people commit? Jaywalking? Failure to signal when turning? What about speeding? I see many many people racing along the I40 interstate everyday...should I record their license plates and report them? No! because they are not hurting anyone while doing it. Now if they wreck their vehicle while speeding they should be arrested for reckless driving, but I think you get my point. Maybe I am out of touch but that is the way I see things. People have been made to feel like everyone has to be controlled. In reality, everyone needs to be truly free before we can really experience life. Everyone has a right to their personal choices whether I agree with them or not. Crimes are committed AGAINST people and if there is no victim then there is no crime. I don't see how calling the police would have helped catch a serious criminal like you mentioned (murderer, rapist, etc)when he didn't see the man doing anything dangerous to anyone. Do you want someone to call the police to come question you while you are outside trying to relax on your back porch? It is that mentality that is demolishing our rights in this country. Your entire statement concerning the events concerning the chancellor are irrelevant and ill founded. There was no indication of a crime other than the illegitimate one stated and you practically want the guy chained and questioned it seems. Now I don't know what your angle is on marijuana but I would assume you are affiliated with law enforcement somehow or perhaps are just poorly educated on what cannabis really is. That is ok. That's why we are here so that we let people know the truth about this wonderful plant.
Now your last paragraph prior to your conclusion states that you don't understand how ending marijuana prohibition would reduce the cost of police forces.
Well, I think I can explain that to you. Police spend a large amount every year on the investigation, arrest, and conviction of many non violent marijuana "crimes." Now if you were to take that massive amount of money and invest in something worth the time or just for better equipment for our officers then you would save funds. Police stations are inclined to arrest marijuana offenders because that is what the DOJ pushes. It is where the police get a large portion of their federal funding. That is why they won't stop arresting these people. If you only understand this plant and that everything you ever heard bad about it was a lie, perhaps then you would understand. I ask you to review some of our medical videos on this site. Oh by the way. In case you didn't know it because of the prohibition on this harmless plant it makes it's users resistant to speaking with the police. that is the system's fault. Everyone should feel like they could to the police with a problem without getting personally investigated but that is not the case. Everyday they pass some new law restricting our freedom and allowing them more unconstitutional power.
Now to address your last paragraph. Most of us are non-violent. That doesn't mean we like being walked on. Any human will only take so much obstruction of their personal liberty before they physically detest that action. The police are the ones inciting violence all over the country. They seem to have a mentality that the people out on their streets are their enemies. We aren't. We simply want to be left alone to live our lives for the most part. So as far as the violence goes I am all for quelling it as long as the other side understands the situation. Americans don't have to be peaceful. It is our constitutional right to revolt and it will happen if we continue down our current path.

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P.S.- The article Alex posted was from a UNCC newspaper. Alex was not responsible for any of the statements whether he supports them or not. We are not in the business of attacking each other for our view points though and I would ask you to refrain from that. Thanks again.
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Re: UNCC, police, recent marijuana arrests involving students and could they be using their time more wisely? 5 years 7 months ago #7837

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I got that from a Charlotte news paper, I did not write any of that!, I posted it for people to read and get knologe from, because CarolinaTom has gotten signatures from students at UNCC which is sooo coool CT!! keep it up, and that Gary Dunn who is running for Governor works at UNCC and he is for Legalization of it, I have a post of what he wrote me, it is not far from this post. Go to his website and he has a lot there!
I'm just saying I put stuff on here because I am tired of not being able to get the med I want and know works for me, I have been in this chair since 1984 and Dr. dump pills all over ya, and all I want is this plant!! Cannabis
I live in NC and don't have a gun!
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